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		<title>By: John David Mann</title>
		<link>http://www.thegogiver.com/blog/2008/07/28/they-called-him-flipper%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>John David Mann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All —

Just a quick clarification to add to Mark’s great post: it was not Bernice Ross but “Utah Dave” (Dave Robison) who made these points about value and the real estate market. — J.D.M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All —</p>
<p>Just a quick clarification to add to Mark’s great post: it was not Bernice Ross but “Utah Dave” (Dave Robison) who made these points about value and the real estate market. — J.D.M.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Malizia</title>
		<link>http://www.thegogiver.com/blog/2008/07/28/they-called-him-flipper%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Malizia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello.....

I am a REALTOR in Doylestown, PA (a suburb north of Philadelphia) and I felt compelled to comment on this post.

I agree with what everyone has said so far... but due to my knowledge of the real estate industry, I wanted to possibly further provide clarification to what Dr. Bernice Ross might have been trying to say.

When the market was booming several years ago (and even in some markets today), real estate investors attempted to profit from the market. There are investors who buy homes and rent them out; there are investors who buy the home, add physical value (new paint, carpet, kitchen cabinets, fix structural issues, etc.); and there are investors who buy a house, slap some paint on the walls and attempt to flip the house for a decent profit. Dr. Bernice Ross is probably referring to this type of investor: the one that adds little to no value (physical value) to the house, yet intends on flipping the house for a nice profit. Those are the investors who that are going against the stratospheric laws of success.

Dr. Ross further explains the two ways to make money in the real estate market. You can own a home (or investment property), and add value by holding onto it and maintaining the home as necessary over time. Second, you can add real value by buying a property, taking a risk by investing real money into the place, and attempt to make a profit in the market. Those investors are in line with the laws of stratospheric success and are obeying the laws. They are the ones who stand the most chance at gain.

To further comment on the post above by Bob Burg: not all investors are buying properties and saving owners from foreclosure. Some are, and that could add value to the system. However, some are making offers and buying homes at deep discounts from what the current owners (not in default of their mortgage) really were looking to sell the house for. Sure, the owners don&#039;t have to accept the offer, but the current housing market is leading these owners to accept these offers. Once the investor obtains the property at a deep discount, then they hopefully will add physical value and flip the home for a profit.

Lastly, to answer the question: &quot;How do you personally define and/or consider value as being created in a marketplace?&quot; I feel that value in the marketplace can come from physical value or knowledge value. If someone applies for a job, and the company legally has to offer the worker at least minimum wage, why would the company offer the worker a salary or hourly pay above the minimum wage? Well, that worker possess either a certain physical value (move stuff around the warehouse, etc.) or they can contribute knowledge to the company. The more knowledge or physical ability that they bring to the firm, the more valuable that employee, and the greater the pay that they will receive from that firm. Currently, American workers are headed towards the addition of knowledge to add value to the marketplace. Countries such as China and India add the physical value to the marketplace. I have been reading a great book called &lt;i&gt;The World is Flat&lt;/i&gt; by Thomas Friedman. The ideas I just expressed came from this book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello&#8230;..</p>
<p>I am a REALTOR in Doylestown, PA (a suburb north of Philadelphia) and I felt compelled to comment on this post.</p>
<p>I agree with what everyone has said so far&#8230; but due to my knowledge of the real estate industry, I wanted to possibly further provide clarification to what Dr. Bernice Ross might have been trying to say.</p>
<p>When the market was booming several years ago (and even in some markets today), real estate investors attempted to profit from the market. There are investors who buy homes and rent them out; there are investors who buy the home, add physical value (new paint, carpet, kitchen cabinets, fix structural issues, etc.); and there are investors who buy a house, slap some paint on the walls and attempt to flip the house for a decent profit. Dr. Bernice Ross is probably referring to this type of investor: the one that adds little to no value (physical value) to the house, yet intends on flipping the house for a nice profit. Those are the investors who that are going against the stratospheric laws of success.</p>
<p>Dr. Ross further explains the two ways to make money in the real estate market. You can own a home (or investment property), and add value by holding onto it and maintaining the home as necessary over time. Second, you can add real value by buying a property, taking a risk by investing real money into the place, and attempt to make a profit in the market. Those investors are in line with the laws of stratospheric success and are obeying the laws. They are the ones who stand the most chance at gain.</p>
<p>To further comment on the post above by Bob Burg: not all investors are buying properties and saving owners from foreclosure. Some are, and that could add value to the system. However, some are making offers and buying homes at deep discounts from what the current owners (not in default of their mortgage) really were looking to sell the house for. Sure, the owners don&#8217;t have to accept the offer, but the current housing market is leading these owners to accept these offers. Once the investor obtains the property at a deep discount, then they hopefully will add physical value and flip the home for a profit.</p>
<p>Lastly, to answer the question: &#8220;How do you personally define and/or consider value as being created in a marketplace?&#8221; I feel that value in the marketplace can come from physical value or knowledge value. If someone applies for a job, and the company legally has to offer the worker at least minimum wage, why would the company offer the worker a salary or hourly pay above the minimum wage? Well, that worker possess either a certain physical value (move stuff around the warehouse, etc.) or they can contribute knowledge to the company. The more knowledge or physical ability that they bring to the firm, the more valuable that employee, and the greater the pay that they will receive from that firm. Currently, American workers are headed towards the addition of knowledge to add value to the marketplace. Countries such as China and India add the physical value to the marketplace. I have been reading a great book called <i>The World is Flat</i> by Thomas Friedman. The ideas I just expressed came from this book.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Burg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Burg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 20:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I absolutely agree with Mr. Wattles statement, which you eloquently describe in your third paragraph. However, I respectfully disagree with what you write in the fourth paragraph; I don&#039;t believe that the mere fact that someone is more focused on the money than the value &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt; detracts from the value they add to others. 

To papaphrase** (and, badly at that) :-) Adam Smith, in his classic, &lt;i&gt;The Wealth of Nations&lt;/i&gt;, The brewer and the baker deliver quality goods not out of love for you, but from their own self-interest.

In other words, some people provide value whether they care to or not.

Of course, I&#039;d like to think they are passionate about what they do and that their intent is indeed to add value . . . but value is not &lt;i&gt;necessarily&lt;/i&gt; a function of intent. 
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**Okay, the above paraphrase of Adam Smith was so poor I feel the need to supply you with the actual wording:

&quot;It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own neccessities but of their advantages.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I absolutely agree with Mr. Wattles statement, which you eloquently describe in your third paragraph. However, I respectfully disagree with what you write in the fourth paragraph; I don&#8217;t believe that the mere fact that someone is more focused on the money than the value <i>necessarily</i> detracts from the value they add to others. </p>
<p>To papaphrase** (and, badly at that) <img src='http://www.thegogiver.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Adam Smith, in his classic, <i>The Wealth of Nations</i>, The brewer and the baker deliver quality goods not out of love for you, but from their own self-interest.</p>
<p>In other words, some people provide value whether they care to or not.</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;d like to think they are passionate about what they do and that their intent is indeed to add value . . . but value is not <i>necessarily</i> a function of intent.<br />
&#8212;&#8211;<br />
**Okay, the above paraphrase of Adam Smith was so poor I feel the need to supply you with the actual wording:</p>
<p>&#8220;It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own neccessities but of their advantages.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Palmisano</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Palmisano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My definition of value as being created in the marketplace has some conditions:

&quot;It cannot be made to work for less life to any, because it is equally in all seeking riches and life.&quot;
--Wallace Wattles

If the product or service provides value to some but not everyone involved, or it takes away from some involved in the transaction (or is illegal), it&#039;s ultimately a lose-lose.

Have speculators provided value?  I believe so.  But some, if not a lot of them, put their focus on making a lot of money, not on adding value to the marketplace.  And I think that&#039;s where the trouble originates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My definition of value as being created in the marketplace has some conditions:</p>
<p>&#8220;It cannot be made to work for less life to any, because it is equally in all seeking riches and life.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Wallace Wattles</p>
<p>If the product or service provides value to some but not everyone involved, or it takes away from some involved in the transaction (or is illegal), it&#8217;s ultimately a lose-lose.</p>
<p>Have speculators provided value?  I believe so.  But some, if not a lot of them, put their focus on making a lot of money, not on adding value to the marketplace.  And I think that&#8217;s where the trouble originates.</p>
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